Raccoon the UNGOOD CRIMETHINKER ([info]arocoun2) wrote,
@ 2009-07-31 14:40:00
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Upon Further Thought...
I may have accidentally shown too much negativity toward the APOC disruptors, while seeming to support the racism of the CI folk. So allow me to make a few points to clarify my view on the whole spectacle.

--The APOC disruptors were annoying because they focused so much on color (not even race, but color); they ignored other critical issues like class, or wealth (most of the CI folk were poor), or most important by far: The individual. But honestly, I'm not that angry at the disruptors at this time, because what they said was right. They really don't have a lot of power, politically or otherwise. It's unfair, and it's wrong; and I can't be angry at them for lashing at the weakest group of white people that they could find.

--Half of the CrimethInc. folk are a bunch of liberal fucktards. Seriously, the dumbasses who set up the convergence thought from the beginning that white people gentrify neighborhoods, but they set up the convergence near a poor black neighborhood anyways. If you think you're a gentrifier, and you hold your event near a poor black neighborhood, it's either racist, or incredibly dumb, or both.

--Dumb-ass shit was said by the CI folk. Just because I think individualism is tons more important than skin color, doesn't mean that I find comments that say race doesn't matter at all to be acceptable. And quoting MLK, or stuff like the Inappropriate Jokes workshop, are just begging for trouble, at best.

--I think both the disruptors, and the CI, have their priorities way off. There are much, much bigger forces of gentrification that a one week convergence populated by poor white people. And, there are much, much bigger things for a person to feel guilty for than being the wrong skin color. Like eating tortured animals.

--Most important point of all for me, is that I have a true love of individualism and choice. To me, there's no greater goal for the individual than moving beyond what they're born as to become something better. And there are few things I find more unbearable than people who focus things that can't be chosen (like race, or sex, or species), and who focus more on identity politics (you're black, you're white, you're male, etc.) than on the individual and their choices.



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[info]summerisfast
2009-07-31 09:17 pm UTC (link)
I guess I look at it like this:

I don't think anyone wants white people to walk around just feeling guilty, depressed, and doing nothing, just feeling like shit.

With regard to species, I recognize that I was born into a species that displaces, imprisons, kills and has killed trillions of non-humans. I have power over them for no other reason than the fact that they were not born human. I don't walk around feeling bad that I was born human, that would be laughable, probably akin to a mental disorder and wouldn't do anyone any good at all. Rather, the goal is to recognize speciesism in the larger society and it's grasp on my own life, and search for concrete ways to change the injustices that humans impose on non-humans: things like living vegan, etc.

And with regard to race, I was born into a race that holds social power over non-whites. I don't walk around feeling guilty and moping about being born white, but recognizing the power that my skin gives me over non-whites and seeing it as a social justice issue with real symptoms and solutions.

However, I believe that the oppressions associated with speciesism are more pressing and important (for lack of a better word) than those of race-based oppression. Unfortunately, we only have limited time to deal with these issues, and gentrification pales in comparison to being imprisoned and tortured your entire life. I think those that would agree with me on race issues do not see speciesism as a serious oppression, unfortunately.

Please keep in mind that these are all only my opinions, and come from an accused terrorist so 'poor' he can't afford food, that I never went to college, am not a 'liberal', lived for about three years traveling and existing with no money save for that I gained through crime, and that this position isn't winning me any popularity, most white people I talk to and most, if not all of the people I interact with, do not see their own race privilege, think we live in a color-blind society or that they belong to color-blind communities and scenes, etc.

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[info]arocoun2
2009-07-31 11:59 pm UTC (link)
I don't disagree with you on any points here. In fact, this represents my thoughts on the issues pretty well.

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[info]summerisfast
2009-08-01 05:50 am UTC (link)
Cool. Yeah, I wasn't trying to argue/debate, just sharing my thoughts on the issue.

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[info]enoladismay
2009-08-02 06:21 am UTC (link)
gentrification is a toughie. people acknowledge that they are a part of it but they do it anyway. i lived in west oakland because it was the only place i could afford and i didn't know if i should have felt guilty. i wrote about it in my zine..

when my friend told me recently about how cool kids live on the north side now, it was very shocking. when i was 18 i had a canvassing job that targeted poor neighborhoods and gave surveys. in the north side, i saw houses worse than any squat i have lived in with entire families living in and paying rent. and my friends and i got rocks thrown at us for being in a black neighborhood and not being black ourselves. [it wasn't because we were white, it was because we weren't black.]

so maybe that's where they could afford to have the conference, or had a free space, or that's where people live, or whatever. but all of those are possible explanations beyond stupidity or racism.

reading about what happened at the convergence and what people have said and how you are processing is very helpful for me. i grew up at least slightly racist, because the town of pittsburgh is hardly anything but, and i have been struggling ever since i left that place to abandon all i was taught. i think i have grown a lot. i used to, when anyone tried to talk to me about racism, just fucking shut down. i was the sobbing girl asking "should i apologize for being white?"

it's still hard and there's still a lot to learn.

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[info]arocoun2
2009-08-02 10:41 pm UTC (link)
I was raised by a racist, myself. I still to this day fear that one day I'll drop the N-bomb by accident, just 'cause I heard it all the time.

I'm a dirt-poor vagrant in need of a place to live, and I got issues to worry about that concern the suffering and deaths of trillions. Gentrification means nothing to me by comparison. Maybe when I'm rich or something, I'll care; as it is, I think there are bigger threats to poor neighborhoods than me.

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